No worries, i think a forum is better than chat because this way, one always thinks twice about the message you are submitting. Anyway, if you want to chat in future, post me a pm to get my skype id
Sorry i did not understand what you mean by group name first and workflow name after?
You can move up and down because of at least 2 reasons:
1) MENU permissions, e.g. "job view" are ordered that way, so you define the main menu item order for users (e.g. job submit first, job view second)
2) from an admin perspective, you might want to keep menu permissions at the bottom and filters at the top
You know, from a software design perspective, i always need to think a few steps further.. What about if we had 20 more permission items, in that case, the order of the items is important for easy administrating...